Welcome,
thoughtful viewers.
Today, we will present
the first of a 2-part-series
featuring an interview
with American monk,
Zen priest, and author
Dr. Steven Hairfield.
Earlier in his life,
Dr. Hairfield had served
in the army and experienced
the suffering of war.
As a soldier, he came to
Âu Lạc (Vietnam).
There, his search for
inner peace and wisdom
guided him to
a Buddhist Zen Monastery
in Quảng Ngãi province.
The monks
in this Zen monastery
revealed that there are
Buddhist scriptures
which describe
a prophet named Issa
who came from the west
to live in India.
Dr. Hairfield realized
that this Issa must be
the Jesus Christ.
After Dr. Hairfield came
back to the United States,
he earned a degree
in psychology, and later
a masters degree in
religion and theology and
a doctorate in metaphysics.
Afterwards,
following his inner urge,
Dr. Hairfield travelled
to India, Nepal, and Tibet
where he was guided
by Buddhist lamas on
his own spiritual journey
– and a quest to understand
the real Master Jesus.
When I found myself
in northern India and
encountered probably
two of the finest people
even to this day
that I’ve ever met,
my teachers, they told me
I was in India
for two reasons: One was
to learn the Tibetan
philosophy and ideas
and then to share them
with my part of the world.
And the second reason
why I was there
is they wanted me
to know about Issa.
Of course,
at that moment in the time,
I’d never heard
that name before.
But the interesting thing
is, they are
the same people.
Issa is Jesus in Hindi,
in the far eastern part
of the world.
The ironic thing is
that name originated out
of India, but it’s also,
there is Lake Issa in Nepal,
the name is known in Tibet.
The name is also known
in what we call Iran today,
it was Persia back then.
And it’s known also
a good portion
of the Orient.
I spent six years of my life
studying with
the Tibetans.
They are meticulous
record keepers.
They have contiguous
touching records
of every great Master
that has ever been
in that part of the world.
They literally have scribes,
secretaries basically,
that write down everything
they say.
No one can sit anywhere
and tell me that Buddha
wrote down the sutras.
He didn’t,
someone else did.
And the same is true
with Christ.
Now if you were to go into
one of the monasteries
I can tell you
without hesitation
that it is in – and it’s
the first place I saw them,
the documents –
is the Hemis Monastery
in Ladakh,
which is one of the states
of northern India.
If you were to walk in there
and say, “I would like
to see the scrolls
about Issa,”
they would look at you
and say they don’t exist.
But if you were to go there,
and they trust in you
and they like you
and they understand
that you are not there
to dispel, they would
walk up to you and say,
“Your Issa was here.”
And what Kiela did, who
was my abbot, my lama,
is he told the abbot
of that monastery
why I was there, that
I was there to study Issa
and what he was
doing there;
what he was learning;
what he was being taught.
And the abbot
of that monastery
scurried off,
he brought several scrolls
back with him.
And Kiela got
an interpreter,
and the interpreter read
the Sanskrit words to me.
In 1894, Russian journalist
Nicolas Notovich
was the first
to publish a translation of
the Buddhist manuscripts
which describe Jesus’ life
in India, in his book,
“The Unkown Life
of Jesus.”
Another well-known
personality who wrote
about Jesus living in India
was Swami Abhedananda,
who was President
of the Vedanta Society
in New York.
Dr. Hairfield is only
the 18th person
and the second American
who has ever been
allowed to read
the precious documents.
And that’s how I made
the connection because
when they said to me,
“Your Jesus was here,
this was his name.”
Now I was raised
as Catholic,
I was stunned.
My first inclination was,
“No way!”
Dr. Hairfield found that
Jesus studied in India
with teachers
of the Jain faith as well as
with Hindu Brahmins,
and later
with Buddhist teachers
in North India and Nepal.
Doctor Hairfield,
are there biblically
recorded statements
that can be compared
to the Buddha?
Oh totally, there are
over a thousand.
“What you sow,
so shall you reap”
was something that
the Christ was taught,
that Buddha also taught.
So there’s a direct
correlation right there.
But even when you look
at the seven points of
the Sermon on the Mount,
all of them echo precisely
what the Buddha himself
said.
There are so many
that pre-date the Christ,
that to me verify
that he had to be in
Buddha’s neighborhood,
so to speak,
to even learn them,
without hesitation,
without question.
How did you know
that Jesus had dwelled
in the land of elephants
and tigers?
It's pretty obvious,
once my teachers began
showing me the documents,
and what he was studying.
And it’s interesting too,
that he wasn't there
by himself, by the way.
It was Jesus,
Mary Magdalene,
John the Baptist,
and Thomas.
And Christianity
on the East coast of India,
they actually
follow Thomas.
They're Thomasians,
not followers of Christ.
They were all four there,
learning
the same information.
When we return,
we will hear more
from Dr. Hairfield about
Jesus’ secret life in India.
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Welcome back to
A Journey through
Aesthetic Realms,
today with American
author and Zen priest
Dr. Steven Hairfield
about Jesus’ life in India.
According to Dr. Hairfield,
the three wise men
from the East
which are mentioned
in the Gospels,
the Biblical books
about Jesus,
were actually sages
who came in search of
a new-born enlightened
soul in Palestine.
This was similar to the way
in which nowadays
Buddhist monks
search for the incarnations
of previous lamas.
The reason they showed up
– by the way, following
a wandering star.
We have a star defying
the laws of physics?
No, what they were
following was an
astrological prediction;
a Vedic
astrological prediction.
Vedic astrology
comes out of India.
They came from the East.
Why?
To confirm whether
this was the great soul
that they were to teach.
The three gifts were gifts
of wisdom, compassion
and love.
So they’re symbolic gifts.
Yes ma’am.
Once they confirmed
that the Christ was
who he was, they left
specific instructions
to Joseph and Mary that
there were certain things
that they had to do
as he grew.
One was to go to
the mystery schools
in Heliopolis in Egypt,
so that when
he came out of Egypt
it met that prophecy,
that this person would be
coming out of Egypt;
he did.
When Christ was 13,
they had to
meet the third criteria
of the instructions
that were left, that Christ
was to go to into India.
So there’s a direct
correlation with fulfilling
these prophecies and…
(Yes, ma’am.)
Is it true that you retraced
Saint Issa’s steps, his path?
Parts of it, absolutely.
I actually sat in a cave
in Nepal, on the shores
of Lake Issa, where
the Christ supposedly
had spent over a month
doing nothing
but meditating.
Well, what was
Jesus’ purpose?
What was his mission here?
In the world?
Well it’s totally
different from
what we’ve been taught.
He was a great Master,
extremely accomplished.
But that level of knowledge
was only located
in that part of the world.
If you think about it,
the Tibetans still follow
a similar tradition today.
They seek out the
reincarnated Dalai Lama,
and when they locate him,
they test him.
He passes the test,
they begin grooming him
to be the next Dalai Lama.
The 14th Dalai Lama is
the one that we know today,
and he had to
go through all of that.
They did the same thing
with the Christ.
So he was taught
what he knew.
While staying
in monasteries in India,
Tibet, and Nepal,
Dr. Hairfield
had the opportunity
to study the same
ancient Indian scriptures
which Jesus had studied
2,000 years before, and
to compare their message
with Jesus’ teachings
as conveyed by
the Gospels of the Bible.
If you study
the principles of karma,
the 12 principles,
he actually says
the same thing
in the four Gospels.
He just changes
the wording of it,
like he says it
exactly in this matter:
Whatever you “metae”
returns to you 10 fold.
“Metae” meaning
whatever you put forth,
and something
that confirms totally,
because this statement
is written in the Vedas,
and he quotes it exactly:
“What you sow,
so shall you reap.”
That’s the prime,
or great, law of karma,
that’s the very first law
to go by.
And then he begins
to explain the other ones,
and then quotes
different parabolic phrases
that he states,
but he goes through
literally all 12 of them
in the New Testament.
You’ll find the Vedic texts
in the four Gospels,
you’ll find the Jain texts,
you’ll find the Brahmin text,
and you’ll find
the Buddhist text.
And I actually sat down
with all of those texts,
one beside the other,
and began mixing
and matching and finding
the same exact ideas,
so I know
where he got them;
I know
where they came from.
Absolutely.
It’s open to anybody
if they open their mind.
You see, we’re taught that
we can’t do any of this;
we’re taught that
we are not worthy to do it.
You never heard
Christ say that himself.
You’ve never heard,
even in the Bible,
God say that.
The biggest key
in any of that is just
simply accepting yourself
for who you already are,
and then, like it says
in Nag Hammadi,
when you make the two
into one, you can say,
“Mountain move
from here to there,”
and it will be given you.
The question is,
what does that mean?
It means actually
several things.
“Two” means duality,
there is no duality
in the world,
there is no duality in life,
there is no duality
in consciousness, there is
only one consciousness,
and we are living points
in that, so there is “one.”
The second is
by allowing our souls
to have a say in our lives,
in other words
we live through our soul,
not just our body.
So now,
it’s removing duality,
and having the soul
and the body as
one operating principle.
And then, you can do
anything he did,
he said so himself.
Thank you,
open-minded viewers,
for your company today
on A Journey through
Aesthetic Realms.
Please join us again
next Sunday, September 5
for the 2nd and final part
of our interview
as Dr. Steven Hairfield
will reveal more
fascinating information
about the unknown life
of Jesus Christ in India
and his teachings.
Now, please stay tuned
to Supreme Master
Television
for Our Noble Lineage,
right after
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May peace be with you.
Dr. Steven Hairfield’s
book discussing
today’s topics, titled
“A Metaphysical
Interpretation
of the Bible,”
is available at
Welcome,
gracious viewers.
Today, we will present
the last of a 2-part-series
featuring an interview
with Dr. Steven Hairfield,
a distinguished
American monk,
Zen priest, and author.
As a young soldier
in Âu Lạc (Vietnam),
Mr. Hairfield went to a
Buddhist Zen Monastery,
where he heard of
a prophet from the west
named Issa
who had lived in India.
Issa was the Hindi name
for Jesus.
After studying
in the United States
in religion, theology,
and metaphysics,
Dr. Hairfield followed
his inner calling
to journey to India
as a monk.
There, his teachers aided
him in learning about
the enlightened Master
Jesus Christ
unlike most people
could ever imagine.
The only reason they had me
in the Hemis Monastery
in Ladakh (in India)
was for that purpose,
to find out
who Issa (Jesus) was,
and then to read
what he was studying,
and then my teachers
made sure that I studied
every single thing
that he did.
I shared with you
how my teachers
smuggled me into Tibet,
and that was to go into
another monastery
called the Holy Cross,
which is deep
in the Himalayas itself
and it’s actually
built into a mountain.
And that’s where I read
the second series of
the scrolls on Issa again.
So there are
only two monasteries
that I know
those documents are in,
and I’m not even certain
they’re still in those two
because they move them.
(Move them
to protect them?)
Absolutely.
Through his privileged
access to secret documents
in India about Jesus,
Dr. Hairfield discovered
many details
about who Jesus was, and
what he was teaching.
Jesus was an Essene.
One of my hobbies
is collecting Bibles.
The oldest one I have
is 1805 and it’s
in awesome condition.
But you read
an older Bible and
you read a newer one
and there are
huge blatant differences.
In the older ones,
it said Jesus would
retire to Mount Carmel;
in the newer Bibles
it said he would
go up on the mountain.
Where’s mountain Carmel?
That’s where they found
the Dead Sea Scrolls,
that was the home
of the Essenes.
Mary, his mother, was
a master in the Essenes,
and she was a leader.
The second thing is:
The older Bibles
don’t say that
Joseph was a carpenter.
What it says is, Joseph
was a master of the craft.
He was an Essene,
he was an alchemist.
So what does that
make Christ? An Essene.
So he was already
in the Essene
mystery schools – at birth.
And then
when they went to Egypt,
they went to Heliopolis,
which was
the mystery schools
in Egypt.
And then when he left there,
it was back into Israel
where at the age of 13,
Joseph of Arimathea
took him into India for
his “Masters and PhD,”
so to speak.
So he would become
a person of
great accomplishment,
understanding that he
was a great soul anyway.
Christ studied
with the Nath yogis.
Nath yogis are really
mysterious people.
I was out in the field.
I was bending over,
planting rice this time.
All of a sudden a shadow
was cast in front of me,
and I looked up and
there was this scraggly,
scrungy, dirty little old man,
and he looked at me
and said,
"You're an American."
And I went, “Yes.”
And he spat on the ground
and he said,
"You're not worthy,"
and he walked away.
Several days later,
he returned,
and he, same thing.
He looked at me and said,
"I am told you wish
to learn the Nath sutras."
And I said yes.
And he goes,
"You're an American.
You're not worthy.
You do not have
the patience."
Four or five times
that happened,
and on the last time,
he came up
and looked at me
and smiled, and he said,
"You're worthy."
Because
I never got upset at it.
I just accepted what
he was doing and saying.
So I spent about
two months with this man.
And that's where I learned
about these sutras.
In the Gospels
of the Bible,
Jesus is described
as having spent 40 days
in the desert or wilderness,
where he was tested by
the temptations of Satan.
Dr. Hairfield explains
that Jesus was meditating
at this time to complete
his self-mastery.
He had to rustle
with his mind through
the idea of temptation.
Imagine me looking at you
and saying, “Okay,
I’m about to gift you
this power, where
nothing can overcome it.
You have absolute power
over everything.”
What’s your ego
going to do?
(Woohoo!) Exactly!
So in other words,
it was about
cleansing his own mind.
It was his final exam.
That’s the idea
of the temptation.
And by the way,
the word “Satan”
in ancient Sanskrit
out of the Vedas
is “the ego.”
The ego is
the most powerful thing
that we have and
you have to harness it.
But once it's contained
and transformed,
the Divine within awakens.
He had the knowledge
already, and there was
that one last hurdle,
and he overcame it.
Dr. Hairfield, many think
that Jesus was a vegetarian,
what’s your take on that?
I have no doubt or
no question that he was.
And if you want
I’ll give you a light idea
as to why.
The heavier the food,
the heavier the body.
When we look at our teeth,
we weren’t made
to be carnivores,
we are vegetarians.
We were supposed
to eat vegetables.
But he literally was that.
He put nothing in his body
that created any weight
or heaviness or
would hamper his energy
in any way.
And that’s easy to tell.
When you eat a meal –
if you feel energized,
that’s what you should eat.
If you eat a meal
and you feel heavy,
that’s foods
that you should not eat.
So yes, he was absolutely
vegetarian, no question.
After we return,
Dr. Hairfield
will speak more about
the fascinating aspects of
Jesus’ life and teachings,
and how they apply
in our own lives today.
Please stay tuned
to Supreme Master
Television.
Welcome back
to our interview
with American monk,
Zen priest and author
Dr. Steven Hairfield
as he elaborates on
the metaphysical meaning
of enlightened Master
Jesus’ teachings.
According to Dr. Hairfield,
Jesus and his companions
had journeyed to India to
study the ancient spiritual
teachings and practice
to reach enlightenment.
He wanted
to understand all aspects
of all belief systems.
And, out of all teachings,
there were two
that had no dogma.
One, of course,
is the Buddha sutras.
Actually, three.
The Krishna (philosophies),
and the Vedas.
The Vedic texts are
the oldest known
philosophical text
about life.
And the Brahmins,
the Jains, and even
the Buddha sutras,
to an extent, and even
the Krishna philosophies,
to an extent,
all originate out of that one.
Even the biblical texts
actually originate in
some fashion or another,
out of that text.
Just like the Truth seekers
in Jesus’ time,
Dr. Hairfield himself
had gone to India in search
of his True Divine Self.
It’s the simple things
that are always
the most powerful.
And that’s the very thing
that Christ himself taught.
Christ says it
in two places.
First he says,
“To enter the Kingdom
you must have
the mind of a child.”
The second time he says it,
he says,
“To enter the Kingdom
you must have
the innocence of a child.”
An innocent childish mind
sees simplicity very easily.
And we can invoke that
even at our age.
And can you elaborate
on how we find
the Kingdom within?
Christ said, first,
in the Book of Luke that
“you look here
and you look there for
the Kingdom of Heaven,
yet you do not look within.”
Alright.
We also know according
to the biblical texts
that God lives in Heaven.
Well,
if the Kingdom of Heaven
is within you
and God is in Heaven –
where does that put God?
(Within you.)
So when one wants
to find that Kingdom,
you begin through
the idea of meditation:
“Be still and know.”
One of my teachers
one day looked at me
and he said, “Young man,
do you like yourself?”
And I said “No, I don’t.”
And he said “Wait here,”
and he walked away.
And he came back and
he had, I would suppose,
it was like a mirror out
of a women’s compact,
and he handed it to me
and he said,
“Take this with you
and sit down
and look at that mirror
and tell yourself
that you love you.”
And he said, “When
you’ve accomplished that,
return my mirror.”
I went back to him
about 30, 45 days later,
and I looked at him
and said,
“Master I cannot do this.”
And he said,
“Tell me your experience.”
And I shared with him
that every time
I made that phrase,
I heard in my mind
all the reasons why I was
useless, was no good,
it was everything
negative about me.
And he looked at me
and he said, “No, you
have succeeded, Steven.”
And I said “How?”
He said, “Now you know
two things that
you didn’t know before.”
He said, “One,
you know your path.
Your path is through
that forest of every one
of those things, your ego,
which is the second thing
you now recognize.”
Because every time
I said that,
it was my ego telling me
why I didn’t like me and
why I couldn’t not accept me.
And then he simply said,
“Take one of those
at a time, not all of them.
Just take one at a time,
until it no longer exists.”
And it took
a quite a bit of time.
But none of those things
go through my mind
anymore.
There’s the Heaven within.
Is there anything else
that you might like to
share with our viewers?
If you’re really want
to light up the world,
then open yourself
to the truth
of your own nature,
to the truth of
your own Divine being.
Bring that forth;
bring that forth
and give it to all people
because if you can do that
you’ve continued
the lineage that was set
forth millennia ago and
by so many great Masters.
After all,
the Christ himself did say,
“Seek first the Kingdom
and then all else
is given you.”
And to think that
we can have anything
that we want, anything,
by finding that place
within us first.
Then you can
change the world.
Thank you Dr. Hairfield.
(My pleasure.)
Our appreciation,
Dr. Hairfield for sharing
your candid knowledge
about Master Jesus
as well as your own
special experience
in India.
May we always remember
the timeless wisdom
of the great Masters
and seek first the
Kingdom of God within.
To our viewers, thank you
for joining us today.
Please stay tuned
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right after
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May Heaven’s light
guide you, always.
Dr. Steven Hairfield’s
book discussing
today’s topics, titled
“A Metaphysical
Interpretation
of the Bible,”
is available at
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