Hallo, gentle viewers, 
and welcome to 
Animal World: 
Our Co-Inhabitants.
One of the world’s most 
widely loved animals 
of the sea is the dolphin. 
On today's program 
we’ll visit with 
Dr. Lori Marino, 
an expert on cetacean 
intellect and a senior 
lecturer in neuroscience 
and behavioral biology 
as well as an adjunct 
instructor in psychology 
at Emory University in 
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
A good portion of 
her dolphin research 
involves studying 
the brains of wild dolphins 
who have died 
of natural causes.
For the past 15 years, 
I’ve been studying the 
intelligence of dolphins, 
and I’ve been 
mainly doing that by 
looking at their brains. 
I do something called 
Magnetic Resonance 
Imaging. 
And what that means is 
I look at that structure 
of their brain, I look at 
the size of their brain.
I look at how their brain 
is put together, and then 
try to infer something 
about their behavior and 
their intelligence and 
their abilities from that. 
In 2001, Dr. Marino and 
her colleague were the 
first to publish research 
regarding the ability 
of Bottlenose dolphins to 
recognize themselves 
in a mirror, 
an ability scientists say 
demonstrates 
self-awareness. 
Before Dr. Marino’s 
discovery, 
self-recognition was 
thought to be 
a characteristic unique to 
humans and the great apes.
A few years ago, 
I set out to do a study, 
to look at the relative
brain size of dolphins
and whales and humans
and other primates, and
the relative brain size
is really the size of 
one’s brain relative to 
the body size. 
And the bigger 
your brain is compared 
to your body, the more 
processing power 
you might have. 
So when you look at 
humans, modern humans, 
our brains are very large 
for our body size. 
And we look at 
our closest relatives, 
the great apes, you find 
that their brains are 
very large as well. 
But there is another group, 
and that’s dolphins and 
whales that have a much 
larger relative brain size 
than all other animals, 
including the great apes, 
and they are 
really second only
to modern humans.  
I use medical imaging 
techniques to study
the size and the structure 
of the brains. 
It gives me 
a three-dimensional view 
of the inside of the brain. 
And that allows me 
to measure the brain, 
that allows me to look at 
all the components of 
the brain and it gives me 
a great deal of flexibility 
in terms of the kinds 
of analyses I can do. 
Can you explain to me 
a little bit more about the 
encephalization process 
and how that works 
in your study?
Yes. Encephalization is
a word that means 
the growth of the brain 
over evolutionary time. 
(Okay) 
And so if an animal is 
really highly encephalized, 
that means over time 
their brain has gotten 
very large. 
So humans, 
modern humans, are 
the most encephalized 
organisms 
on the planet right now. 
So if you do the same sort 
of calculation for other 
species, what you find is 
many of the modern 
dolphins and whales are 
more encephalized 
than any other animals 
on the planet, except 
modern humans. 
In fact I did an analysis 
a few years ago 
looking at modern 
dolphins and whales 
and how encephalized 
they are compared with 
our recent hominid 
ancestors, and found that 
up until about 
a million years ago 
the most encephalized 
animals on the planet 
were not hominids, 
they were dolphins. 
We know that about 
35-million years ago, 
there was 
a significant shift in 
the dolphins and whales. 
Their bodies got smaller, 
their brains got bigger. 
Now what we are trying 
to figure out is what 
happened at that time. 
We think it has something 
to do with the change in 
their behavioral ecology, 
meaning something to do 
with their group living. 
And we know that 
one of the things that 
characterizes 
most dolphins and whales 
today is the fact that 
they are enormously 
socially complex. 
Dolphins are known 
to be very talkative 
and communicate to 
other members of their pod 
or social group through 
whistles and clicks.
Non-verbal communication 
is also used. 
For example, 
to ask her baby 
to stop doing something, 
a mother will nod her head 
up and down. 
This is the brain of 
a Bottlenose Dolphin. 
And the Bottlenose 
Dolphin is probably 
the best known 
Cetacean species. 
And there’s several points 
that I want to make 
about this brain.  
First of all, 
from an absolute size, 
this brain is a lot bigger 
than the human brain. 
Second of all, the part of 
the brain that is involved 
in very high level 
cognitive processing, 
thinking, self-awareness 
and that kind of thing, 
is the neocortex and 
that’s this wrinkled 
outer portion here. 
And as you can see 
it’s very, very large. 
Not only that, but it’s 
even more convoluted 
than the human brain, 
meaning that there’s 
more wrinkles in it, 
so there’s a greater 
surface area. 
And what that tells me 
is that, throughout their 
evolutionary history, 
dolphins’ and whales’ 
brains have expanded 
tremendously 
and in particular 
in the regions that are 
involved in higher order 
cognitive processes. 
When we return, we’ll 
resume our fascinating 
discussion about dolphins 
with Dr. Lori Marino. 
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Welcome back to 
Animal World: 
Our Co-Inhabitants as we 
continue our interview 
with dolphin intelligence 
expert, research scientist, 
and senior lecturer 
in neuroscience and 
behavioral biology at 
Emory University, USA, 
Dr. Lori Marino. 
Dolphins and whales 
do have a number of 
different cultures, 
and by that I mean that 
they have 
learned behaviors that 
are passed on from one 
generation to the next. 
Some of those cultures 
are tool-using cultures. 
So there is a group of 
dolphins off the coast 
of Australia 
that use a sponge. 
They carry the sponge 
in their mouth and they 
use that to root around 
the bottom of the sand. 
And it was started 
by the dolphin female. 
She passed it on to 
her children and now 
many of the dolphins, 
though not all 
in that group 
do the sponge carrying. 
So that’s a great example 
of tool use and 
cultural transmission 
at the same time. 
What if we were to 
analyze a conversation 
between two dolphins?  
What would we find? 
One of the very 
interesting lines of 
research that my colleague, 
Brenda McCowan has been 
doing is to look at the 
natural communication 
system of dolphins. 
So she records 
their whistle repertoire. 
And then 
through a mathematical 
formulation takes a look 
at whether or not 
there’s structure 
in that repertoire. 
So you and I are talking 
and if someone were to 
record our speech and 
put it through 
the same process 
they would find that 
there’s a structure there. 
The structure comes from 
syntax, which is again 
a very important aspect 
of true language. 
And what she has found 
is that there is structure 
in dolphin 
communication signals. 
What they’re saying 
is not clear 
but the fact that they are 
saying something 
in a very complex way 
is pretty clear. 
Dolphins are friendly 
towards humans and 
have been heroes 
in emergency situations. 
In Europe, 
a dolphin saved 
Italian teenager 
Davide Ceci 
from drowning. 
Fourteen-year-old Davide 
was in his father's boat 
in the Adriatic Sea 
when he accidently 
fell overboard. 
The boy did not know 
how to swim, and 
his father was unaware 
of what had happened. 
Davide was within 
minutes of death, when 
a dolphin named Filippo 
came to the rescue by 
keeping him above water. 
At the time Filippo 
was living off the coast 
of Manfredonia 
in southeast Italy 
and was a well-known 
and celebrated friend 
to visitors of the area. 
Dr. Giovanna Barbieri, 
a maritime researcher, 
stated, “Filippo seems 
not to have the 
slightest fear of humans. 
I'm not surprised 
he should have done 
such a wonderful thing 
as to save a human.” 
Do you think that the 
dolphins are in any way 
trying to communicate 
with us as human beings?
I think dolphins do try 
to communicate with 
human beings, 
they certainly do that. 
In the wild 
they sometimes try to 
make contact. 
I think what’s important 
to know about dolphins, 
though, is that 
they are so busy 
with their own lives that 
they’re not always 
motivated to communicate 
with humans. 
And so what that means 
is that we have to 
leave them to 
their natural lives so that 
they can do what 
they want to do. 
Dr. Thomas White is 
director of the Center 
for Ethics and Business 
at Loyola Marymount 
University, USA, 
and a scientific advisor 
to the non-profit 
research organization 
the Wild Dolphin Project. 
He is also the author 
of the thoughtful book, 
“In Defense of Dolphins: 
The New Moral Frontier,” 
in which he advocates
for regarding dolphins 
as “non-human persons” 
due to their intellectual and 
emotional sophistication.
The idea of personhood 
has been brought up by 
a philosopher colleague 
of mine, Tom White. 
And he has put forth 
this notion that dolphins 
are sentient, intelligent, 
emotional beings with 
their own life to lead, 
which I completely 
agree with. 
And that if you look at 
being a person 
as having those traits, 
then dolphins certainly 
qualify.
Lori Marino's research 
on dolphin intelligence 
caused her to make 
an important decision 
about her life’s direction.
I thought to myself that 
I’ve spent 15 years or so 
having a very good life, 
professional life studying 
dolphins and that 
one thing I needed to do 
was to use that expertise 
to help them. 
And so I decided to 
make a shift in my career 
and that includes 
my personal life. 
So I became 
a scientist advocate, 
not just a scientist. 
And that’s changed 
how I eat, that’s changed 
the things that I do.
 I advocate for animals 
in all sorts of arenas, and 
it’s become extremely 
fulfilling for me and 
I want to spend the rest 
of my life doing whatever 
I can to make things 
a little bit better 
for other animals that 
we share the planet with. 
 
Lori explains how 
her love for animals 
also caused her 
to change her diet. 
I’ve been vegetarian 
for many, many years, 
and I am in the process 
of becoming vegan. 
I realized that I had to 
become a vegetarian 
when one of my nieces, 
who was about eight 
years old at the time, 
saw me order fish 
in a restaurant. 
And she looked at me 
and she said, “Aunt Lori, 
if you love animals 
so much why are you 
eating them?” 
And you know, I didn’t 
have a good answer 
to that. 
And that made me realize 
that I had to become 
a complete vegetarian 
because there was
no way to defend it 
any other way. 
Many thanks,
Dr. Lori Marino 
for helping us 
understand the divine 
intelligence of dolphins 
and other animals. 
Your efforts are helping 
create a more 
compassionate world, 
where all beings live 
in equality, freedom 
and harmony.
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