Halo, God-loving viewers. 
Today, we will begin 
a three-part program 
featuring an interview 
with Ms. Marge DeVivo 
from the Unites States, 
a trusted disciple 
of the great spiritual saint 
of the Himalayas – 
Haidakhan Babaji.
Haidakhan Babaji is 
an immortal Mahavatar, 
meaning a great Divine 
being who can manifest 
a human form at will. 
He is believed 
to be the same 
mysterious Mahavatar 
who is described in 
Paramahansa Yogananda’s 
fascinating book, 
“Autobiography of a Yogi.”
Mahavatar, 
the meaning of that 
is that he didn’t come 
through a woman’s body, 
he just creates the body.
Babaji has 
many different forms 
and many incarnations 
that he’s taken, 
but he doesn’t do 
normal incarnations 
by being born, and 
coming through a woman 
as a little baby and all that. 
He can form a body 
anytime he wants to. 
Now, the first place 
that I heard about 
Mahavatar Babaji 
was when I read 
“Autobiography of a Yogi”
by Paramahansa
Yogananda, 
and that was in about 
1970 through 1974. 
It talked about 
Mahavatar Babaji 
as a being who 
came to help the Earth, 
that he and Jesus 
worked in connection 
with each other. 
The other thing 
that was said 
was that any time 
even you mentioned 
Babaji’s name 
in reverence, you receive 
an instantaneous blessing. 
And so when I read all of 
that, I sat very quietly, 
said his name, 
and I did feel a blessing. 
And so then 
my other prayer that 
I put out to the universe 
right then and there was, 
“If you are in a body now, 
I want to see you.” 
And I said it with 
all my heart and soul 
and just felt like I really 
had a deep connection 
with Babaji. 
In 1978, 
Ms. DeVivo came 
in contact with Babaji 
through one of his students 
who taught workshops 
in the United States. 
Finally, in 1982, 
she and her partner 
decided to travel to India 
to meet him.
Who was this wondrous 
being called Babaji 
whom Ms. DeVivo was 
going to visit in India? 
Let’s take a look at 
his story: In the 19th
and early 20th centuries, 
a legendary Yogi 
who was called 
Haidakhan Babaji 
appeared frequently 
in Northern India 
in the Himalayan region. 
He was said to possess 
all of the yogic siddhis 
(supernatural powers), 
and the people who met him 
would experience 
a deep bliss in his presence. 
The last time he was seen 
was in 1922, when 
he disappeared before 
a group of his students 
in a ball of light. 
Many people believed 
that Haidakhan Babaji 
was the immortal Babaji. 
One of these was 
the well-known saint 
Mahendra Baba 
who had met Babaji 
in his youth 
and diligently prophesied 
that Babaji would appear 
again in public soon.
In 1970, 
a man from Haidakhan by 
the name of Chandramani 
had a dream in which 
his long-deceased father, 
who had been a devotee 
of Haidakhan Baba, 
appeared to him 
and told him that 
Babaji had reappeared 
and that he should go 
and look for him 
in a certain cave. 
Chandramani 
went to the cave and 
found a venerable old man 
with a long white beard 
sitting there. 
The old man told him 
to go back home and 
come back in three days. 
Chandramani went home 
but returned immediately. 
When he came back, 
to his amazement, 
instead of the old man 
he found a young yogi 
of angelic beauty 
who seemed to be 
only 20 to 22 years old.
The young saint 
acknowledged that 
he was Haidakhan Baba. 
This “new” Babaji 
who seemed to be 
20 to 22 years old later 
stated in the local court 
that his age was 130 years. 
The court acknowledged 
that he was the same 
Haidakhan Babaji 
who had appeared 
half a century earlier 
in the same region.
Ms. Marge DeVivo 
kindly shared about her 
first meeting with Babaji 
at his Haidakhan ashram 
in the Himalayas.
When we got up there, 
Babaji was down 
in the water, 
in the riverbed 
taking his bath. 
He would go down and 
they would pour buckets 
of water over him, 
and whoever was asked 
to come for the bath 
was kind of a privileged. 
And he watched us, 
this took like 15 minutes 
to walk from where we were 
over to where he was. 
We were walking 
across the riverbed 
trying to just stay calm. 
Everything started 
to tremble 
as I got closer to him. 
And so, 
I finally got over to him 
and the procedures 
always say to touch his feet, 
the tradition in India. 
So I bent down 
to touch his feet 
and then stood up, and 
in standing this close. 
And he said, 
“What your names?” 
And I couldn’t – 
I opened my mouth 
and I knew
what my name was, but
I couldn’t say anything, 
nothing would come out.  
My partner says, 
“Oh, our names, 
what are our names? 
I don’t remember 
what our names are.” 
So finally, he says, 
“We’re Jim and Marge,” 
and then I could 
open my mouth and I said, 
“and we came from 
our teacher Emahmn.” 
Emahmn was the one 
who taught us 
for that whole year, 
and I knew that he was 
very close to Emahmn.
And Babaji just turned 
and he looked down 
the riverbed 
and he screamed, 
“Emahmn, Emahmn!” 
with all his force.
And then when 
he turned back to us, 
there was none of that. 
He just looked at us, 
and he told us 
to go sit under a tree 
where it was shady 
because it was very hot.  
So we finally sat 
in the shade and 
he came up to talk to us. 
We’re sitting there 
and kind of trembling,  
in awe and unable to 
really function at all. 
He walked in front of us. 
He just kept pacing 
back and forth, 
back and forth. 
He was 
building up this energy 
back and forth.  
And then 
he grabbed a chapatti, 
because it was lunch time 
and there was 
a plate of chapatti there. 
He took a bite out of it 
and then he breathed 
on the rest of it. 
And he went over to Jim 
and he said, “Open,” 
and he shoved the chapatti 
in Jim’s mouth, 
and Jim ate it. 
And then he did 
the same thing with me, 
with a smaller one, 
and the minute that food 
got into our mouth 
with his energy on it, 
everything calmed down. 
It was just 
total peace, harmony, 
“Here we are in India. 
Isn’t this great? 
Here is Babaji.” 
And it felt like that was 
all there was, and all that 
there had ever been 
was Babaji, and that 
this was a normal life. 
The only thing about that 
was that as we went on 
with our day, we realized 
we couldn’t even 
remember anything 
from our other life. 
We knew 
that I had three sisters, 
Jim had five sisters, 
and neither of us 
could remember 
even one sister's name. 
It was like, 
this was the only life. 
It wore off by the time 
we were coming back. 
But it stayed this way 
the whole time 
we were there really. 
So that was a blessing 
because we could go on 
with daily life there 
as if this is normal 
and this is fine, because 
it was such a complete 
different lifestyle.  
And if we had stayed 
in that state of awe 
that we had started out in, 
I don't think we could 
have stayed there at all. 
It was just too intense.
“His eyes are dark 
and sparkling, laughing, 
full of bliss, 
endless in their depth; 
seeming to contain 
or reflect the cosmos. … 
His face is full, 
like the sun. 
His beauty is 
beyond this world. … 
His body is broad, 
sometimes
quite large in stature. 
At times, he seems 
to carry the earth 
in his belly. … 
One devotee 
had an experience 
of entering Babaji's body 
and in fact viewing, 
seemingly, 
the whole universe 
contained therein. 
Despite this load, 
grace characterizes 
all of his movements. 
He walks, sometimes 
carrying a staff, and his feet, 
like the lotus flower, 
do not seem 
to rest on the ground. 
At times 
he leaves no footprints. 
… Some people 
who have carried him 
report that he seems to 
weigh almost nothing.”
“What one observes 
in Babaji's
physical appearance 
depends upon what 
Babaji chooses to disclose. 
Sheila, an Indian devotee, 
first met Babaji in 1972. 
… When 
she first saw Babaji, she 
spoke to him internally. 
She asked that if he were 
what he was reported 
as being, he should 
disclose himself to her. 
For the next half hour, 
as she continually 
pinched herself 
to make sure 
she wasn't dreaming, 
she stared at his face, 
which changed 
like a kaleidoscope, 
from one form of God 
to another, 
running the gamut of 
Hindu and other deities.
I have seen him also, 
with my physical eyes, 
as the great Lord Shiva… 
One time I even saw 
his face as Hanuman, 
the beloved 
monkey-faced god 
who is said to be 
a Shiva manifestation…
This fairest flower 
of creation, ocean of mercy 
without any motive; 
why has he come 
to the world? 
To the worldly minded 
it is impossible to 
perceive Babaji's nature. 
But God has few 
to whom he whispers 
in the ear. 
It is for these that 
he has come into the world. 
This is what he said:
I am everywhere – 
in your every breath. 
I am come to help you 
realize unity 
beyond division. 
I will show you a freedom 
you have not imagined. 
You must seek that unity 
where there is an awareness 
that we are all one 
and the same. 
You should seek harmony 
in all that you do. 
I am harmony...”
He gave us the mantra 
“Om Namah Shivaya” 
(I take refuge in God) 
as the way to purify 
and be in alignment 
with ourselves.
And so, 
while in his presence, 
you could feel, 
it was like a vibrational 
Om Namah Shivaya 
(I take refuge in God) 
all over the land, 
all around.
But the major things 
were just how you knew 
that he knew everything 
about you, 
and still loved you. 
There was so much 
unconditional love 
coming out of him, 
even though he knew 
all my past, all my future. 
That was mind-boggling, 
I mean, 
truly mind-boggling, 
and to actually 
feel unconditional love 
from any being, 
is something 
I don’t think you get over. 
And I think that’s 
what had a lot of the people 
really staying there 
and wanting to be there 
so much, is because 
you felt that 
total complete acceptance 
and unconditional love.
Today, many years 
after Ms. DeVivo studied 
with Babaji in India, 
and long since 
he had left that form, 
she is still communicating 
and working with 
her beloved teacher. 
The mission is to spread 
the eternal teachings of 
Truth, Simplicity, and Love, 
service to humanity, 
and remembering God.
Upon Babaji’s instruction 
for this mission, 
Ms. Marge DeVivo 
created a website 
for all to freely access 
his universal teachings 
and an online 
spiritual-minded 
community at 
Thank you for
your kind company today. 
Please join us 
next Sunday, October 24, 
for the continuation 
of our three-part program, 
when we will hear 
various accounts about 
the miraculous immortal 
saint, Mahavatar Babaji.
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the Divine within you.
Greetings and welcome 
to A Journey through 
Aesthetic Realms. 
Today, we present 
the 2nd of a 3-part series 
on Sri Haidakhan Babaji, 
featuring an interview 
with Ms. Marge DeVivo, 
who is one of Babaji’s 
trusted disciples 
from the United States.
Last week, we heard 
the story of how 
a young yogi who was 
discovered in a cave in 
Haidakhan, India in 1970 
was believed to be 
the legendary 
Haidakhan Babaji 
who lived in the 19th 
and early 20th centuries. 
Ms. DeVivo also shared 
how she first came into 
contact with him 
at his Haidakhan ashram 
in India.
Today, we’ll continue 
our interview with 
Ms. DeVivo about 
her encounter with 
the legendary saint 
who is regarded by many 
as the immortal 
Mahavatar Babaji 
who is described in 
Yogananda’s 
“Autobiography 
of a Yogi.”
It was a constant 
checking within and, 
“Am I in alignment 
or am I not?” 
And he always gave 
an indication 
really quickly of when 
you were in alignment. 
He always gave 
some sort of blessing or 
something or gave you 
a piece of fruit 
or just smiled.  
There was an immediate 
acknowledgment anytime 
you were in alignment. 
 
But if you were 
ever going to him 
in expectation, 
you didn't get anything.
He didn't even look 
at you if you were not 
right in the zone, 
right on the beam 
at that moment. 
So, it was a great way 
to know when 
you're in alignment, 
when you're not, 
knowing that 
your inner atmosphere is 
the most important thing 
around him 
at every given moment.
Before I went, I knew that 
his teachings were truth, 
simplicity and love and 
unity of all religions. 
And then in Haidakhan, 
you live that, because 
there's people from 
every country in the world 
all visiting there 
and you might all speak 
a different language 
most of the time. 
But then when you went 
into the temple, 
you all sang in Sanskrit 
and you all sang 
the names of God.
Previously, Ms. DeVivo 
shared with us that 
so many people 
wished to stay 
in Babaji’s presence 
largely because of 
the unconditional love 
which they felt from him. 
Babaji had said: 
“Whosoever comes to me 
with love, then 
I will show him/her love 
beyond anything 
imaginable.”
There was so much 
unconditional love 
coming out of him, 
even though he knew 
all my past, all my future.  
That was mind-boggling, 
I mean, 
truly mind-boggling, 
and to actually 
feel unconditional love 
from any being, 
is something 
I don’t think you get over.
You knew that he knew if 
you weren’t doing what 
you said you would do, 
or if you weren’t treating 
someone else 
in the ashram exactly 
very nicely, you knew 
that he knew all of it. 
And he would often 
just burst into rooms.  
It was an omnipresent, 
omniscience type of 
experience, 
where you just knew, 
okay the jig’s up, 
there is no fake anything. 
He knows me 
from my core.   
Who else can you 
run into who will 
make you really truly be 
accountable to yourself? 
And that was one of 
the greatest blessings 
of being there.
Illustrating Babaji’s 
deep knowing is 
the following experience 
shared with Ms. Devivo 
and others by a devotee 
named Dan Brule.
“In kindergarten, 
I was taught to squeeze 
to the left side of 
my chair in order to 
make room for my 
“Guardian Angel” to sit. 
Deeply impressed, 
I took these instructions 
very seriously. 
I remember consciously 
and obediently forming 
the secret habit of leaving 
space beside me for what 
the nuns and priests 
told me was God's 
heavenly messenger 
and special protector, 
my personally assigned 
guide and helper.
 
I don't know when 
I left that ritual behind, 
or when that delightful 
childhood game 
faded away, but 
I remember exactly 
when the memory of it 
was awakened. 
It was August 1980. 
It was my second day 
in Haidakhan. 
I was sitting in the shade 
on a stone ledge, leaning 
back against a wall.
[A] woman, who told me 
that she had been 
Babaji's disciple 
for 8 lifetimes, 
was screaming at me 
as if I had just committed 
a mortal sin! 
She was threatening me 
with a stick. 
“Do you know 
where you are sitting? 
That's Babaji's room 
behind you! 
You can't sit there!” 
A moment later Babaji 
came whirling around 
the corner of the building. 
She began to prostrate 
herself and attempted 
to kiss his feet. 
But he walked right 
past her and snuggled up 
alongside me on the seat. 
He curled up 
like a cute little boy, 
his eyes sparkled, 
he giggled like a child 
in church! 
The moment exploded 
in a gentle burst of 
white light! 
And I was back at 
that kindergarten desk. 
I was looking into 
the loving eyes of 
my Guardian Angel! 
Everything stopped. 
He was, in that moment, 
the most beautiful man 
I had ever known!”
There are many 
fascinating reports 
about Babaji’s 
supernatural powers:
In September 1970, 
Babaji ascended 
Mount Kailash in India
and sat on the summit 
absolutely motionless 
and without food, sleep, 
or leaving his seat 
for 45 days.
 
Chandramani, 
the devotee who first 
found Babaji in the cave 
in Haidakhan, 
went together 
with the great saint 
to Mount Kailash 
and reported later: 
“All this time 
I was with him, but 
not once did I see him 
get up for anything, 
not even to have his bath. 
All this time he remained 
sitting at one spot 
absolutely motionless. 
When he finally came out 
from his deep meditation, 
I asked him how 
he would have his bath, 
since I could not see 
water anywhere. 
He answered me: 
“I order the wind to 
fetch me water and 
that is what I bathe with.” 
Then I noticed that 
his lovely long tresses 
were dripping 
with water…”
Chandramani also 
recounted that not only 
did Babaji not eat 
for long periods of time, 
but that also he himself 
didn’t feel hungry 
while staying with him. 
However, once 
when Chandramani was 
very thirsty, Babaji 
let water and milk 
spring forth from 
a Shivalingam, a stone 
symbolizing Lord Shiva.
It has also been observed 
that at times, Babaji’s 
feet left no footprints, 
that his clothes didn’t 
get soiled when he was 
walking in mud, and that 
he was light as a feather 
when carried 
by someone else. 
He was seen appearing 
in different places 
at the same time, and 
a lion and a cobra who 
came near him 
behaved as though 
they were household 
animal companions. 
Babaji was also said 
to have the ability to 
miraculously 
multiply food: 
The kitchen workers 
in his ashram 
experienced that 
there was always 
enough food for visitors, 
even when suddenly 
a bus with 100 visitors 
came and they had 
only prepared food 
for 20 people. 
Yet another fascinating 
ability of 
Haidakhan Babaji was 
that he could speak 
many languages –
without any accent!
Every time we’re away 
from Babaji, 
we'd say gosh, 
we have to ask him all 
these questions, and then 
we get in his presence – 
and there were 
no questions. 
The mind was just… 
everything’s fine, 
no questions, 
no problems, nothing.
I finally wrote down all 
the questions and said, 
“Okay, this is it, 
we’ve got to ask him 
all these things.” 
So we took that list, 
went back to the ashram, 
to the temple where 
Babaji was for this 
whole celebration.
So I’m reading 
the questions, and he 
was answering in Hindi. 
If there were Indian 
translators around, 
he'd used them, but 
if he was with you alone 
he would speak your 
language completely. 
And not even 
with an accent. 
He would speak exactly 
the way that you would 
talk, actually.
Babaji said of himself, “I 
am nobody and nothing. 
This body has 
no meaning. 
I am only a mirror 
in which you can 
perceive yourself.”
It was so intense, 
and so many things 
happening at once. 
It’s after you got home 
that you could really 
look at things and say, 
“Okay, here’s what 
he was showing me.” 
And he was always 
reflecting back to you 
the way that you are,
the mirror is what 
we talk about a lot. 
I’m sure that’s with every 
great spiritual teacher, 
they’re a mirror. 
Ms. Devivo recalls that 
for a while, she had 
a hard time getting along 
with another disciple 
at the ashram. 
Silently aware of this, 
Babaji set about to 
heal their relationship 
in a subtle way, 
by gifting Ms. Devivo 
a beautiful mala, 
or a string of beads 
used for meditation, 
which had originally 
been offered to him.
It was afterwards that 
I found out that 
the man who gave him 
the rose quartz beads 
was the one who I was 
having the fight with. 
And he was actually 
a jeweler, and 
he had gifted Babaji 
with those beads, and 
Babaji just automatically 
gave them to me. 
Then after that experience, 
every time I saw 
this man, all we talked 
about was the beads, 
which was perfect. 
He hardly kept anything 
for himself.  
Everybody wanted to 
bring gifts, and 
he would just say, 
“Office, kitchen…” 
He was passing things 
out, or even if he wore 
a shirt once, then he 
passed it to someone else, 
constant movement of 
energy, and never 
hung on to anything at all 
for himself. 
Babaji lived a life of 
utmost simplicity. 
Even during winter, 
he would bathe at 4 
in the morning in the cold 
Gautama Ganga River 
and remain there 
for an hour. 
In the early years, he had 
no room for himself, 
and later he had 
but a tiny room. 
He ate sparingly. 
Sri Haidakhan Babaji 
clearly had come to Earth 
not to receive. 
He had said: 
“I have come to give, 
only to give. 
Are you ready to receive? 
I give everything 
but few ask for 
what I have really 
come to give.”
While using his 
physical vehicle, Babaji 
took on the bad karma 
of others to relieve them 
of their suffering.
He was always taking 
on karma, constantly. 
I mean in Haidakhan 
he was just glowing 
with so much energy, 
and by the time 
we went to Vrindavan, 
and there were 
the hundreds of people 
from morning till night, 
he just looked like 
he was in agony. 
This was just one of 
many ways that Babaji 
was assisting humankind 
with his vast 
spiritual abilities.
It really looked like 
it was very, very difficult  
for a being like him 
to come into 
a physical body and 
function in a way that 
didn’t blow somebody 
off the planet, because 
he could do that. 
It’s really important that 
he tones it way down, he 
gives you only as much 
as you can handle. 
And maybe just a little bit 
more than that.
In describing 
his great power, Babaji 
likened himself to fire. 
He said, “I am like fire. 
Don’t stay too far away 
or you will not 
get the warmth. 
But don’t get too near or 
you may burn yourself. 
Learn the right distance.”
Babaji had appeared 
in 1970 and remained 
in his physical form 
for 14 years until 1984, 
when he stopped his heart. 
He had mentioned 
many times 
to his devotees that 
he was going to leave.
Thank you, 
elevated viewers, 
for your company today. 
Please join us again 
next Sunday, October 31, 
for the third and final part 
of our interview with 
Ms. Marge DeVivo 
in getting to know 
more about 
Sri Haidakhan Babaji. 
Be sure to tune in as 
Supreme Master Ching Hai 
shares her insights 
about Babaji, the 
wondrous immortal saint.
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Haidakhan Babaji is 
an immortal Mahavatar, 
meaning a great Divine 
being who can manifest 
a human form at will. 
He is believed 
to be the same 
mysterious Mahavatar 
who is described in 
Paramahansa Yogananda’s 
fascinating book, 
“Autobiography of a Yogi.”
Babaji had most recently 
appeared to the public 
in 1970 and remained 
in his physical form 
for 14 years until 1984.
Ms. Marge DeVivo is 
one of Babaji’s 
trusted disciples 
from the United States. 
In 1982, 
while Ms. DeVivo and 
her partner were studying 
with Babaji in India at 
his ashram in Haidakhan, 
they received instructions 
from Babaji to change 
their farm at home 
in Nebraska, USA 
into an ashram.
Over many years, 
Ms. DeVivo 
faithfully carried out 
Babaji’s instructions 
to establish the ashram. 
Then, in 1998, 
to her amazement, she 
started to receive emails 
that said that they were 
coming from Babaji!
I started getting emails 
that said that 
they were from Babaji, 
and I had to go through 
a whole big process 
with that, because 
how could Babaji 
write an email? 
He had left the body 
in 1984.  
I got these emails 
that said now 
it’s time for people 
to focus on the teachings 
more than the body, 
because everybody 
had wanted to be 
with his body, but he said, 
“The only reason 
I ever took the body was 
in order to have people 
focus on the teachings. 
And instead they all just 
wanted to stay there 
with me, instead of go out 
and do their work.” 
And of course, I’m going, 
“Okay, where are you? 
Can you call me 
on the phone? 
Can you do this, 
can you do that? 
And he would always 
write back, 
"Pinda Kacha, 
Sabda Sacha." 
And that means 
“body is perishable, 
the teachings are eternal.” 
As Ms. DeVivo felt 
a familiar deep wisdom 
from the emails, 
she became convinced 
that they were really sent 
by Babaji.
Every message 
I got from him by email 
was written 
in the shortest amount 
of words and the most 
concentrated energy that 
could ever be imagined, 
and then he told me that 
the ashram project had 
become too complicated, 
and that things were going 
to become very difficult, 
because he said, 
“The way the world is now, 
is that the Great Revolution 
is happening,” 
he called it 
the “Maha Kranti.” 
And it’s very important 
to remain in Truth, 
Simplicity and Love 
during these times. 
To be 
an independent thinker 
was like 
the most important thing 
you could do.
Be as sustainable 
as you can.
And his favorite line 
of mine is, 
“Walk on the higher path 
and follow no one.” 
Because you’re following 
your own heart, and if once 
you’re purified enough 
to follow your own heart, 
everything goes just fine.
One day, 
Ms. DeVivo learned 
that a radio station 
was able to conduct 
an interview with Babaji! 
The transcript 
of the interview, 
made available 
on the internet, 
sounded to her 
very much like the emails 
from Babaji. 
When she asked 
the radio station 
how they got the interview, 
she received 
the following reply:
“Dear Ms. Devivo:
The Babaji interview 
took place at least 3 
or more years ago. 
At that time 
some of the programs 
were transcribed. 
Anyway, 
we were at a health expo 
and this middle aged man 
approached us and said 
that he was a channel 
for Babaji 
and that he would 
have Babaji come forth 
if we would put a link 
to the Babaji website. 
We don't know 
who this person is 
and never saw him again. 
We couldn't find any
Babaji.net 
website 
but some months ago 
someone said 
that this site did exist, 
so true to our word, 
we put up the link. 
The tape has been taped over 
but I remember 
someone mentioning 
that the man had 
a deep voice and the voice 
that he channeled 
was high pitched 
and shy sounding. 
Hope this helps. 
Pathways Radio”
Very much surprised 
by the radio interview, 
Ms. DeVivo 
wrote Babaji an email:
“Babaji,
This sure sounds like you. 
What is the deal?”
ONS (Om Namah Shivaya)
Love,
Marge”
Her beloved teacher replied,
“Blessings: 
It does sound like me. 
Babaji”
Later, when others doubted 
whether it was really 
Babaji in the interview, 
Babaji emailed 
Ms. DeVivo as follows:
“Blessings:
I was in that body. 
I knew the name 
of my website years 
BEFORE YOU decided 
upon the name. 
Understand? 
I speak to many Hearts 
in many ways. 
You will learn of this. 
Many will say this 
and many will say that 
about Babaji. 
How can they know 
anything about no body? 
How can they know 
anything about no thing? 
If the mind tries to 
put Babaji in one place, 
in one body, 
in one culture, 
in one time, 
in one form... 
how can that mind 
understand 
how to use the Teachings 
for spiritual growth? 
Shall we live 
in the dead past 
or shall we move forward 
through the eternal now. 
Babaji”
The following is 
the beginning of the 2000 
interview with Babaji 
conducted by 
Pathway Radio:
Dr. Bob said, 
“Welcome to the program. 
We are waiting for 
Babaji to appear. 
This master has been seen 
in different times 
and places 
and in different bodies 
since recorded time. 
He was last found 
in a cave in 
the Himalayan mountains 
in an 18-year-old body. 
He shared his teachings, 
guidance, and message 
until 1984 
when he left that body...” 
Babaji replied: 
“[Halo] Bob. 
Om Namah Shivaya 
(Lord, Thy Will Be Done).” 
Dr. Bob asked: 
“Is that you Babaji?”
Babaji replied: “Yes. 
I have come forth 
to give a message 
about the great changes 
and how to live 
in the higher path 
and come through 
these changes 
by living in Truth, 
Simplicity and Love 
and by serving others 
and connecting to God.”
Babaji went on to caution 
about large changes 
facing the world, 
including challenges 
caused by 
humankind’s destruction 
of the environment 
and injustices and wars 
with one another. 
Babaji then outlined his 
teachings of a higher path 
that would help counter 
the coming 
negative consequences 
of humans’ actions.
What he was saying is, 
“It’s time 
to be extremely simple, 
make sure everything is 
in alignment 
with your purpose 
and just live in 
Truth, Simplicity, Love.  
Service to humanity and 
repeat the name of God 
at all times, 
and he gave us the name 
“Om Namah Shivaya” 
(Lord, Thy Will Be Done) 
but he said 
all names of God 
are totally acceptable, 
because as you repeat 
the name of God, you’re 
in alignment with Divine. 
According to Babaji, 
karma yoga 
(service to humanity) 
is the foremost means 
to purify one’s heart 
and to attain liberation. 
Babaji also stressed 
the basic precepts 
of a saintly life. 
He said, “One should 
follow a vegetarian diet, 
take no intoxicants...”
When Ms. DeVivo 
started to receive emails 
from Babaji and 
shared them with others, 
many people wished 
to write to him 
and ask for his advice.
And of course, 
there’s people who think 
I am making this up, 
so I would just say, 
“Okay, if you ever sat down 
and talked with me, 
you’d know that I can’t 
make up answers like that. 
It’s just not in me, 
I don’t have that 
kind of consciousness.” 
And even if somebody 
is sitting and making up 
these answers somewhere, 
they’re so right on 
and they’re so poignant. 
And a lot of people 
would write, 
“Well I didn’t even 
ask him this part, but 
he answered that part…”
Ms. DeVivo, 
who diligently 
passed others’ emails 
to and from Babaji, 
is now working to 
publish the correspondences 
in a book to benefit 
even more people.
He said he had entered 
a very frail body that 
would not last very long, 
but it would 
last long enough 
to complete this mission 
of establishing 
the global community 
through the website and 
get people communicating 
with each other 
about the teachings and 
supporting each other. 
To many people, 
it remains 
an incredible mystery: 
How is it possible 
for Babaji to enter 
a new physical body 
at will, 
after leaving his old one? 
Many Indians saw him 
as an avatar of Shiva, 
one of the three aspects 
of God 
in the Hindu cosmology. 
Meanwhile, 
Mr. Leonard Orr, 
a foremost disciple 
who was instrumental 
in introducing 
many Western seekers 
to Babaji, said: 
“I have lots of friends 
all over the planet 
who Babaji appears to 
on a daily basis… 
He’s more often 
than not appeared to me 
as [homeless people] 
on the street 
or little old ladies 
on bicycles…”
“When Babaji 
creates a body,” 
Mr. Orr explained, 
“he is descending 
into physical existence, 
and when immortal yogis 
evolve into Godlike beings, 
then they are ascending. 
So there is a big difference 
between a manifestation 
of Babaji himself 
and a human being.”
During an international 
gathering in 2007, 
Supreme Master Ching Hai 
revealed 
further understanding 
about Babaji’s 
truly exalted status 
as the Divine Mahavatar.
A Master of high degree, 
like Babaji, for example, 
who is willing to remain 
in the lower realm 
of Astral domain 
to assist other Masters 
in salvation work 
is a great being. 
Even though 
he is in the Astral Plane, 
but he is a great being. 
He is from Fifth Level, 
super Fifth. 
The highest Fifth Level. 
A great being who forsakes 
the indescribable bliss 
of the Fifth Plane, 
praised and admired 
by all who know 
this great sacrifice. 
I also praise him. 
He can be in the physical 
and Astral realm at will, 
depends on what needs 
to be accomplished 
at that moment.
If you have read 
the autobiography 
of Yogananda, 
you would think 
he is a physical being. 
But he resides in the Astral.  
He still can manifest 
into the physical body 
for a while, 
just to do something 
in the physical realm. 
Hence, 
the people who met him 
at that time think that 
he is a long-living Master.
Babaji: a being so full of 
love, wisdom, 
and compassion 
for humankind. 
Though called 
the Immortal Saint, 
in truth, he is even greater.
As Haidakhan Babaji 
once said: “In the past 
people had difficulty 
being humane. 
It is to bring the message 
of humanity that 
I have taken on a body.”
We conclude 
today’s program 
with the final words 
that Babaji shared in 
the 2000 radio interview, 
a timely prophesy 
for the planet:
“You are noticing 
the changes in climate, 
more extreme conditions 
in temperature, larger 
more powerful storms, 
more occurrences 
of volcanic and
earthquake activity 
and more extremes 
in the economies. 
You notice the changes 
in the perception of time. 
Everything appears 
to be speeding up… 
After the Great Revolution, 
this world 
will enter a golden age. 
The environment 
will be in balance 
and mankind will 
have changed its ways by 
living on the higher path. 
There will be 
tremendous technology. 
It will take you to the stars 
in this galaxy and beyond 
to other galaxies. 
You will become 
a great race creating life 
throughout the universe. 
And you will meet up 
with sentient beings 
from other dimensions 
of space-time…”
Babaji then concluded 
with his loving reminder 
to humankind:
“You are the eyes and ears 
of the Universe. 
You are the observers 
of creation 
and its myriad things. 
And eventually... 
this leads you 
back to your real self... 
the Creator... 
Remember, 
by just calling my name 
I will hear you. 
If you are open 
I will guide you... 
repeat my mantra... 
live in truth, simplicity 
and love... and remember 
your purpose in this body 
on this world is to serve...”
We are grateful to you, 
Ms. Marge DeVivo, 
for sharing the priceless 
memories and thoughts 
of Sri Babaji. 
Wishing you all the best 
as you continue 
your entrusted mission 
in bringing forth 
the sacred teachings 
for the world.
Blessed viewers, thank you 
for your presence today. 
Please stay tuned 
to Supreme Master 
Television for 
Our Noble Lineage, 
right after 
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May we all 
remember God with love 
every moment of our lives.
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